Alright, now maybe amillennialism will be taken seriously in modern evangelical circles - we now have a chart!
This is awesome.
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Yes, but can you explain it. I've seen this going around, but would really love a good explanation. How about a video?
Posted by: chrisdat | December 08, 2008 at 01:11 PM
Hey, David. I'm with chrisdat. Would you care to explain all the arrows and the relationship of the events to each other? Thanks.
Posted by: Barry | December 08, 2008 at 01:13 PM
LOL! Especially the comments! :-)
Posted by: M. Jay Bennett | December 09, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Haha...I love it. Though not a Reformed guy, I am Amillennial (with Historic Premill a close second). Charts are what accounts for 99% of all Dispensationalists' coming to believe in that system. Nice to see someone "plundering the Egyptians" to put forward a more Biblical hermeneutic.
Posted by: James-Michael Smith | December 10, 2008 at 12:24 PM
After intensely studying your chart, I thought I was on the verge of understanding it in a deep and profound way. Turns out I was just suffering a seizure, triggered by all those cicles, and ovals, and arrows (oh, my).
Oh well, render unto seizure, and all that. (Turns out there's a fine line between a breakthrough and a breakdown.)
Posted by: Ricky H | December 10, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Okay, I wasn't going to weigh on this, but Hyphen-guy's sneer requires this:
Actually, I think most people who incline to dispensationalism do so because they have this silly idea that Scripture actually means what it says (and not just in soteriological passages), and they haven't yet had someone explain carefully to them how the Bible really doesn't mean anything it says about God's happy plans and promises for Israel.
Posted by: Dan Phillips | December 12, 2008 at 10:48 AM
...or weigh in on this, for that matter.
Posted by: Dan Phillips | December 12, 2008 at 10:49 AM
If one were to just study scripture with out preconceived ideas, or a Scofield reference bible, and tried to design a Boolean Flow chart for the End of Days it would look like this. It would be possible to teach this without sounding like a cultist!
Posted by: will hapeman | December 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Well, that much is certainly not true. Revelation 20 alone would divide the resurrections (on a plain reading "with out [sic] preconceived ideas"). Plus, there would be a ream of events that aren't fit into that little tidy blur. Bible study is hard; amillennialism is a way to blur one's way out of the hard work of actual exegesis.
Posted by: Dan Phillips | December 16, 2008 at 04:02 PM
@Dan: Guard your tongue there. Nothing on this page (other than an opposing view apparently) gives cause for the snarky tone and ya'll-are-idiots-that-can't-read-what-your-Bible-says sort of attitude towards the Brethren here. I noticed this same attitude in John MacArthur's "Why Every Self-Respecting Calvinist is a Dispensationalist" message at the 2007 Shepherds Conference had this same mocking approach.
Have you ever seen two people argue such that all one side can do is mock and caricature the other side? Pretty unconvincing, right? Right. Well, I used to be dispy, now I'm fence sitting on amil, but the ugliness directed at brother and sisters in Christ that I see coming from the dispensational side is a huge turn-off. Theologies always affect the heart. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. I don’t know if dispys realize what they're "saying" by way of how they’re saying it. That's just my view as a spectator watching the heavyweights.
Posted by: Eloquorius | December 22, 2008 at 01:09 PM
I am a Christian who was brought up in a premillenial, ultra-dispensational environment. After seeing many holes in the premillenial view, I began to weigh all viewpoints. After more than a decade of study, I am convinced by Scripture that amillenialism is Biblical. The reasons are many, and too much to write in this format. The chart however is not understandable to one who is a novice of the stances. The real crux of the matter is this:
There was always a remnant of Israel that was saved, not the whole. It was never a qualifier that one was Jewish, the inheritance was not by blood, but by faith. The "Israel of God" has always meant the true people of faith. WE ARE THE ISRAEL OF GOD. The old testament Jews with faith as well as even the "strangers" that dwelt among them and believed like they did in the promises of God were also the ISRAEL OF GOD. To say that there is a future plan for national Israel is misunderstanding, if not treading upon the work of Christ. The cross was the confirmation of the covenant that existed since Abraham. NOTHING ELSE IS NEEDED FOR ANYONE'S SALVATION... no future deliverance is needed when all was accomplished at the cross. In fact Jesus warned us that there are those that will come who will deny that He came in the flesh. This is more intricate than it sounds - it means that there are those who will come that will deny the efficacy of the appearance and mission of Christ. I would prefer, in my humanity that the views are just pluralistic paths to the same, but I am saddened by the fact that "ultra-dispensationalism" is clearly heresy. Anything that adds to Christ's work on the cross, making it seem like all was NOT finished heaps condemnation on those who believe such things. Glory in the completeness of Calvary, do not let man's imagination pervade that. In these last days, cleave to the finished work of the cross, and put away childish things. There are Antichrists in the world today and have been since the advent of the Church. They sit in the temple as god, and do not subjugate themselves to the authority of Scripture. Is it possible to truly know the right interpretation?
We are commanded to rightly divide the truth. This implies there is a correct and distinct interpretation. The responsibility of the Church to humbly gather to discern the truth intended to be communicated though the Word. My prayer is for discernment in the churches, for DOCTRINES OF DEMONS have been sowed in. When we see the abomination of desolation take place, which is man seated in the King's seat in the temple (spiritually the Church), God tells us to flee to the mountains. Not literal mountains outside of Jerusalem, but the spiritual protective mountains of God. This is Scriptural truth protection. Satan deceives even the elect if that were possible. We need to be wary that he does this with doctrine, he hides not in dark alleys, but in the Church. The father of lies. Does he lie just to have fun? No, he lies in order to contaminate the Gospel. If he can get us to adulterate the work of Christ through our belief system, this is what pleases him - not because he simply delights in false, but horrifically knows that a false Gospel cannot save anyone. God be with us in these last days - hope in the resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord.
Posted by: C. Briggs | January 30, 2009 at 12:22 AM
WOW! Thank you for summing that up. I know that this is a subject that is very indebth and requires a great knowledge of god's word. Thank you for speaking the truth so plainly.
Posted by: Bro. Mark | January 11, 2010 at 09:14 PM
I have an Amillennial Chart in PDF laid out in a chronological order.
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Posted by: B. Michael | April 10, 2010 at 11:35 AM
do people here actually believe this chart is serious? I'm floored by that.
Posted by: jer333 | April 20, 2010 at 01:17 AM
Yep, we believe it the same way the overwhelming majority of the church has believed it throughout the overwhelming majority of church history.
Posted by: David Wayne | April 20, 2010 at 12:10 PM
Well.... I'm sitting back listening to the pre-mil and a-mil talk. Since I'm post-mil and of the Theonomic persuasion, not to mention a Preterist, it's an interesting discussion.
Posted by: Van Til Disciple | October 30, 2010 at 12:14 AM
Great chart - a very helpful visual & very biblical. It's quite simple to interpret, as everything will occur when the Lord returns and not in multiple stages as dispensational premillennialism teaches.
Posted by: Adam | November 21, 2010 at 08:59 AM